Earthbuildings?

topic posted Fri, February 1, 2008 - 3:40 PM by  Mira
Hello,

Does anyone knows any good online resources on earthbuildings? I'm especially looking for a special technique of pressing earth together.
I think this method is originally from India.

Does anyone have experiences with this type of building techniques?

Best wishes,

Mira

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  • Re: Earthbuildings?

    Fri, February 1, 2008 - 6:05 PM
    "pressing earth together"? Maybe compressed earth blocks? Here's a link to see if this is the technique you're looking for - www.networkearth.org/natural...ceb.html

    If my memory serves, an early system for doing this went by the name of "Cinta", and may well have originated in India - but I've tried searching on that and didn't come up with anything useful. I've never used the technique myself.
    • Re: Earthbuildings?

      Sat, February 2, 2008 - 12:52 PM
      Thanks Eileen,

      Yes compressed earthblocks is what I mean. I remember having seen images of quite big buildings constructed with this technique. Really impressive... but I wonder how practical this actually is and whether this is an option that is also viable for smaller building projects.

      Does anyone has experience with earth buildings?

      Mira

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      • Re: Earthbuildings?

        Thu, April 10, 2008 - 8:54 AM
        i've made half a little hut outta bricks i made outta clay and mud.....te rest was a shallow cave....but it worked ever so wonderfully
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    Mon, February 4, 2008 - 11:45 AM
    Rammed Earth or Clay?
    Have your heard of Ceramic buildings by Nadir Khalili?
    Calearth.net i think...
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      Wed, February 6, 2008 - 4:10 PM
      calearth is the only way!!!
      =D
      really good stuff... they also offer seminars where one can learn first hand how to do this and spread the knowledge to needed places
    • Re: Earthbuildings?

      Sat, February 9, 2008 - 1:18 AM
      Thank you Shadoan.

      I did some Google research based on your hint - The site is www.calearth.org/ actually. his name is Nader Khalili.
      Has anyone of your ever build something based on this concept?

      I've heard quite bit about 'Earthships' (ideaplants.wordpress.com/2008/...al-2/)
      A concept developed by Mike Reynolds.

      Has anyone of you ever worked on a project based on one of these concepts?

      Cheers,

      Mira

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      • Re: Earthbuildings?

        Sat, February 9, 2008 - 3:19 PM
        The concepts are sound, but the main issue and difficulty is the sheer heavy "labor-intensiveness" involved.

        Also, with the advent of free energy, which is appearing in prototype form, and a few expensive market available systems on the net (mostly overseas) it may be practical to not build-in so much thermal mass and solar-dependent systems (for those of us who have to do things on an inexpensive and slow basis). I love solar stuff, and whatever happens it will always make sense to orient buildings towards the sun and get passive gain. But my interest in solar architecture dates to the heydays of the 70s.. and all my design efforts in that direction have been limited by lack of funds...... and with free energy systems on the near horizon... it might make sense to build "not so massive or superinsulated". I Do love masonry construction.... but Much more glass (all around), and creative experimentation (of the kind that might not be the very most energy efficient) begins to make sense.







        • Re: Earthbuildings?

          Sat, February 9, 2008 - 5:50 PM
          I see you use a great palatte of found material!
          By the way, one can fire rammed earth walls, but you do have to have a good size fire, maybe one could make hollow walls with rammed earth.
          I am excited by the idea of natural foaming agents, mixed and aggitated on site, and pumped into forms like bubbles that can be carved into!
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            Sat, February 9, 2008 - 6:21 PM
            All of those specialized approaches are interesting and suitable for many projects ... but they do create limitations in certain ways that have to be evaluated, or call for a big investment in technology and procedures that may limit flexibility.

            Creativitywise , I prefer post & beam (and arch) construction, as it is very versatile, and more affordable, and classic (read A Pattern Language by Christopher Alexander). This is how the beautiful structures of Europe were built. But it can be informalized and combined with purely organic approaches as well, like in partial ferrocement. Post & beam construction for major architectural features, along with arches, go up to define the entrances, spaces, windows, rooflines, and then this frame work is filled in eclectically, allowing for spontaneous expressionism and curvaceousness.

            It helps to have lots of time & patience and a lovely natural site... so that the work can become play, and an interplay with the energies of Nature at the site.... somewhat spiritual and not entirely planned in advance. It does take a natural skill at building to build this way and not end up with some unusable or regrettable spaces... but I've not really had this problem.... and I suspect that anyone can manifest a reasonable level of competence (sometimes takes unlearning overly-reductionist thought patterns).
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        Sun, April 6, 2008 - 9:49 AM
        Hey Mira. I'm an apprentice of Nader Khalili. I have built with Super Adobe. Labor intensiveness is a part of all Earth buildings, but Super Adobe can be done by anyone who can lift one gallon of Earth. It may take a some time to complete a full on living structure, but these buildings have a projected minimum life span of 500 years. So if you compare the efficiency of work to what you get out of it, Super adobe goes above and beyond. This method of building was designed with third world situations in mind. All of the building techniques are simple, and the materials can be acquired anywhere. Not to mention that the bulk of your material is directly below your feet! Rammed earth times stabilization. Oh yeah about the wall density, thermal mass makes these structures very energy efficient. It could be 110 degrees out here in the desert and with no cooling devices inside, the structures stay around 80 degrees.
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          Sun, April 6, 2008 - 12:26 PM
          What is the medium used to "stick" it together ?
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            Sun, April 6, 2008 - 6:10 PM
            At first Nader dried blocks of adobe, about 4" thick, and stuck them together with wet clay, and hay... Then he would stack dry blocks without mortar in the windows, and stucco the outside of this. Firing this room for days twice.... Then he developed a way to use endless sandbag tools to coil build mud and or sand, or dirt in a spiral. I think he used barb-wire to create a kinda glue between layers.
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            Mon, April 7, 2008 - 4:39 PM
            >>What is the medium used to "stick" it together ?<<
            We stabilize earth depending on how well it performs under compression. It also depends on the composition of the native soil. We commonly use a small percentage of cement or lime in our mixes. The min. compression strength is 300 psi. Some earth is this stable without adding anything other than water. As previously mentioned barbed wire gives tension and friction between the bag layers.

            Mars one was the first sandbag structure to be tested for seismic shear strength. The engineers performing the test were forced to shut down their equipment because the structure wasn't giving and the hydrolic jacks began to buckle. Mars one was built from nothing more than raw earth and a little water.( outside of grain sacks and barbed wire)
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    Thu, June 5, 2008 - 2:51 AM
    hi mira my name is jonathan i worked in the earthship community in toas for some time and would agree that it is very efficient and effective method for erecting a strong house with the critical mass needed for heat retention it is very easy you must pack dirt ( any old dirt will do) into tire with a large hammer pack all the way around the first ten will be tricky but after it gets easier use the handle of the hammer to test the tires buy hitting them lightly you will hear a thud that is good if it sounds like a drum or hollow that is bad hint put cardboard in the bottom of the tires this keeps the dirt in well you should get a book though to explain waterproofing methods and other things or you could hire me lot of love have fun with yopur project

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