I am in the process of buying some land and am going to need to build a fence as one of the first projects. It's going to be a long fence, approximately 240 feet or so and I'm wondering if anyone has any ideas for materials. Right now I am on a budget, so am thinking of cedar posts for the long-term and just some simple thick fencing wire (similar to the thickness of barbed, but with no barbs). I live in Washington, so I need something that can stand up to the winter wetness. Any ideas?
Thanks, Amy
Thanks, Amy
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Re: fences
Thu, September 6, 2007 - 2:56 PMWhat does your fence need to do?
Formally demarcate a boundary? ... in accord with some legal requirement?
Keep out industrial noise; views of the neighbours rusting car collection; arctic winds; stray animals and people; weeds; runaway vehicles; ...?
Keep in employees; children; dogs; cats; horses; sheep; goats; warmth; roses; ...?
Separate the goats from the roses? :-)
Be permeable to friendly neighbours; mountain views; summer breezes; small wildlife; ...?
3 or 4 ft high, wooden post, 3-strand wire fences are common here from outer suburbia to rural areas. Simple, inexpensive and useful (though cedar would be an *expensive* option here - I'm assuming you're closer to the source, so it's a more economical choice for you). Where wood's in short supply, or the ground's not suited to post-hole digging, star-droppers can be used instead of wooden posts. If wood rot in a wet envoronment is a worry for you, that could be a functional alternative, though it ain't so pretty. There are tasks that sort of fence isn't up to, but it can be added to, or used while another form of fencing is established. -
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Fri, September 7, 2007 - 9:53 AMThe primary objective is to keep the dog inside the yard. The secondary objectives are to "be permeable to friendly neighbors, mountain views, summer breezes, and small wildlife". (Well put Eileen). I've thought about the star droppers you spoke of, but know that I would want to replace that as soon as I could, so instead of buying them up front, pulling them out later and probably never using them again, I've decided against that option. My neighbors just have some old Doug-fir pieces as their fence posts and the wire fencing in between. Seems like a good way to do things, but I just wanted to see what other ideas were out there.
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Sat, September 22, 2007 - 12:39 AMhello there-
i am far from the northwest, being on the big island of hawaii, but, is it possible to do a living fence? maybe for even part of the 240'?
i know some species here on the island, but my permeable permie knowledge mostly covers the semi arid tropics
aloha
jon
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Re: fences
Fri, December 7, 2007 - 10:18 PM<<The primary objective is to keep the dog inside the yard.>>
Invisible fencing...
www.invisiblefence.com/
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invisible_fence
It will keep your dog in, but it won't do anything about keeping other critters out (if that is a concern).
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Bamboo?
Sat, October 6, 2007 - 8:54 PMI've heard of but, don't know much as far as specifics go of using a clumping species of bamboo (as apposed to the running varities which spread like weeds) planted closely in a row I've heard this is great for keeping out deer and should be able to contain your doggy.
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Sun, October 7, 2007 - 6:03 AMWhy not consider living fences using techniques such as copiccing, or pilading, even simple hedges? It is far more eco friendly and cheaper in the long run and doesn't feed into the whole consumer mentality. -
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Mon, October 8, 2007 - 2:00 PMI seem to remember that they use a lot of hedges for fences in the UK. There's a little more to it then just planting. The plants need to be woven together.
I don't recall how long it takes. I'm sure that depends on the species of plants that you use too.
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Sat, December 8, 2007 - 9:05 PMIf you live in an area where currants and gooseberries grow well, you could build a living fence that feeds wildlife. If you have 3 years to grow it, you could buy 10 and take cuttings each year to extend the fence. you should be able to extend the fence by 6x or more each year.
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Sun, December 2, 2007 - 11:38 PMany chance on a solution closer to problem source: train dog to stay close to home, or bring him in at night etc? I just moved from a semi-wild environment where the new people moving in were always putting in these big fences around their entire properties so their dogs could patrol the grounds like prison guards, chasing any wildlife away. It sucked balls.
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Mon, December 3, 2007 - 3:03 AMhi amy. is there much clean up to be done on the property? what about using what is available? like tree stumps. although i do like the idea of cedar rails and wire fencing. there is a fence like that at the farm that i work at. it keeps the deer out of the garden.
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Tue, December 4, 2007 - 1:30 PMDo you live near a lumber mill? If so, you can ask for cutoffs, they're often free. I made a nice fence using unmilled cedar, walnut or locust branches 4-8" diameter as posts and ran the cutoff lengths as rails. I've also used them as stockade fencing by ripping the edges straight and using milled 2x3 as rails.
Do you have timber on the land?
what are the requirements of the fence? Is it for livestock?
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Sat, December 8, 2007 - 3:30 PMYou all have a lot of great ideas.
The living fences sound like a good idea, but to be honest, I have so many other things to take care of around here that I do not have the time to wait for a living fence to grow enough to be a good living fence.
Also, the idea about keeping the dog near to the house and in at night, as well as the ugliness of huge lengths of fences that keep wildlife out does not sound like the best plan either (the ugliness of fences that is). We do keep the dog near to the house and bring him in at night.
As far as a lumber mill nearby. We have tons of them and my barn is full of mill ends. Since living at the new property I have redefined what I need and what I want. I've decided that the first fence that needs to go in will be to keep the dog out of the wetland. I'm not sure exactly what I'll do about it at this point, but I would like to keep the dog out and the wildlife in (which is a difficult predicament because the two don't mix well). -
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Mon, December 10, 2007 - 1:30 PMI have been wanting to do ferro-cement fences. Span 20" pieces of rebar in over lapping arches surrounding the area you want to fence. Then cut rebar pieces and attach to make domes facing out. Connect all together with wire. Then cover with 3 layers of chicken wire or 1 layer of diamond lath . Lastly stucco with cement and color coat. You can be very creative with this kind of fence. Different heights of domes, and it leaves interesting spaces on the inside of the fence for storage and kids caves. This might be a decent amount of work and materials, but ferro-cement is extremely long lasting and uses the least amount of cement for high strength and is usually considered appropriate technology. Good luck.
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Tue, December 25, 2007 - 8:38 PMSimple straight wire stretched between fenceposts will *not* keep a dog in.
Ask me how I know.
(Come BACK here, Sophie!!)
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